Electicle systems and electonics.

[Admin]

Try to make eveything electricle waterpoof as there is a high probability you may get water below in a storm. Lithuim batteries are not allowed so stap you AGM o GELL batteries well incase of Roll over. Keep it all simple and well secured and remember that solar Pannels run power in a daisy chain, so it is NOT just the shadow surface area effecting them. Just one rope shadow on a solar pannel can dop the output by up to 60% as the power has to push across the shadow dead zone many times as it snakes along the daisy chain.

[Jake]

For the transat and globe races, is there a ruling on what can be onboard to obtain weather data? E.g upper level of satellite comms systems. It says there MUST be a Sat phone, but nothing else.

The reason I ask is that there could potentially be an unfair advantage of people with deep pockets 'investing' in superior sat comms and thus getting better/ quicker / more accurate weather data. Is their an upper limit?

Whilst it would be silly to attach a big satellite dome to a mini 5.80 I can imagine it being done by more competitive sailors.

Cheers,

Jake

[Admin]

COPY FROM 5.80 CLASS RULES on the 5.80 website.... "Computers, iPad, iPhone allowed onboard, but not to communicate. GPS, 25w VHF DSC & MMSI (masthead antenna), VHF HH, AIS receiver, Satellite Tracker texting and weather unit, radio receiver. AIS and Radar transponder alarm recommended, but mandatory for MGR. Emergency/distress sat phones only, ( or Race control) no comms to shore except sending (outbound only) Satellite Text message maximum every 6hrs to Race control or by VHF to other mariners, No weather routing but weather Grib files from sat text unit allowed"......END

That should answer you immediate concen..so entants can recieve weather Grib files from Hand held texting unit if they want...we are currently writing the Pre-Notice of Race for the Globe 5.80 Transat for release in weeks?..that will have the final decision and some things are changing.. ...but Predict wind grib files will be allowed but only from Hand held units...Tahnks

[jake]

Thanks!

[Julien]

I see the class rules mention "electric engine", does this mean electric engine is compulsory to have on-board ? On such a small boat I would go without but a long oar for skulling.
If sailing under Col Reg, does it mean the use of electric engine would be also allowed while racing ?
(sorry if these are stupid question)

[Admin]

NOT stupid questions at all...Engines are not compulsary..showing the ability to row or scull or paddle will be compulsary, as you need to be motive. Each event will have different intepretations on when you can use the electic engine, or row, so need to wait till the Notice of Race. Globe 5.80 Tansat pre-NOR will be released in weeks...

[Andrew]

Hi there, perhaps not the right thread but thought I would try!

I was wondering what would the chances be of securing a group discount for all electronics and safety equipment in a generic package. This might be achieved if someone here has a contact at a major supplier or distributer.

Love the idea of a home build and ocean racing but these costs will likely be the prohibitive factor. Any help in this area would be a great help, with this info I can either decide if I should commit to purchasing plans or not.

Otherwise happy building folks
Andrew

[Admin]

Hi...yes good idea and we will run a special POST about this when we are ready to roll. But it is full of challenges..we are in 20 countries now and builders will all have different build dates and budgets, and prefere different modles or type etc etc.. but we will try later. We are working with Our partner Plastimo to develope a special 5.80 builders package. A once off order to buy most of the things that you would use on a Bassic 5.80, so it will appeal to most. To save the money you buy the lot all at once. WE still have to work out the distribution and a few other issues. It will be an all or nothing order, as trying to change it takes too much time. Some will say I only want this, or that, can I add this too etc...sorry..ALL OR NOTHING ..we may open the order twice a year ONLY. So download the Plastimo Catalouge and start dreaming. WE have a wishlist on the website which covers eveything relative to the 5.80...MORE THAN YOU NEED...but this Plastimo Partner order will be chosen from these items.....seperate to that will be the Mini 6.50 valise Life raft. or canaster raft..these will be a special order close to events. Again a once only Order window YES/NO...Electonics are the worst because there is very small margins for resellers so low discounts....and many different Brands that need local support sometimes....South Atlantic windvanes are also offeing an exclusive deal....there will be others in the future I am sure...Keep an eye on EBAY as well ..sometimes there ae very real offers there.. ...getting to the start line is never easy so good luck!!....

[Andrew]

Thanks for the info and for linking this on FB, will keep an eye out for future updates. A y/n order sure would simplify things

[peterbrumby]

Hi all

I’ve had an enjoyable afternoon thinking about boat electrics.......never thought I would say that! Thinking of it now as trying to think through locations, sizes etc. The base load I’ve calculated is about 100 amp hours per 24 hour, without the Christmas Tree. But if I add on a tiller pilot and cool box, which would be good for the longer journeys I’m building her for , it adds another 25-30 amp hours. I am not familiar with electric outboards and like to idea of not having a petrol around the boat too. So was wondering if I could come up with a system that could provide house power and power to an electric outboard, decreasing the weight hanging off the transom and moving it lower, probably near the mast (or aft of cabin if better for balance). Not sure I have the technical know how about how to do this.....yet! This has attractions to me as I am nervous about the short run time on electric outboard battery packs and would like longer potential cruise time. For instance I’d like to head to Scotland and the Channel Islands, each with some “interesting” currents so having the security of an “engine” maybe useful if the wind drops on you. But earlier Don you have said no lithium batteries for house batteries. However the batteries for electric outboards are lithium based anyway. Is there a difference between one in an sealed outboard pack, which would be humped and shifted regularly, against a sealed inboard unit that is locked down. All a balance of safety (electrical, fire and sailing), size and cost. Would be interested to get views.

[Admin]

Hi...Remember ofcourse the 5.80 Class Rules are set up for Racing to keep an even playing field and cap costs$$$$ so AGM and GELL HOUSE batteries are the only ones approved. If your off on a cruise you can do what you like. For electic Outboards yes they have standard Lithium batteries and you can carry spare branded battery packs for your outboard..no problem and you can charge them from your House AGM/Gell batteries...Electric outboard go a long time if you keep throttle less than 50% ...I am planning two 80 amp batteies at the base of the mast in the forward compartment, but I am fittig a South Atlantic windvane which will steer for free and a tiller pilot for occasional use??..the rest is very low power consumption. Good luck and enjoy the build, planning and sailing!!

[captdan]

Jun 14, 2020 0:56:18 GMT Admin said:

Hi...Remember ofcourse the 5.80 Class Rules are set up for Racing to keep an even playing field and cap costs$$$$ so AGM and GELL HOUSE batteries are the only ones approved. If your off on a cruise you can do what you like. For electic Outboards yes they have standard Lithium batteries and you can carry spare branded battery packs for your outboard..no problem and you can charge them from your House AGM/Gell batteries...Electric outboard go a long time if you keep throttle less than 50% ...I am planning two 80 amp batteies at the base of the mast in the forward compartment, but I am fittig a South Atlantic windvane which will steer for free and a tiller pilot for occasional use??..the rest is very low power consumption. Good luck and enjoy the build, planning and sailing!!

I am also thinking that I want the 2 batteries forward of Frame D1. Is there a sealing fitting out there for where the wires would penetrate the watertight bulkhead? To run wires aft for systems in the nav area etc. Just wasnt sure what the normal thing is ....
For aesthetics, it might be nice to have a wire runway for everything to be in one spot. Pipe or something ... What is used on the 5 meters or the 6.50's ?
Captdan 

[Admin]

Hi..yes you can get plenty of Waterproof glands to bring main cables through WT Bulkheads...most BIG marine outlets will sell them....I am now buying three x 50amp batteries and main switchboard at chart table...only electrics in forward compartment is batteries ..and you can get condutes to run cables but I an going raw as simple and serviceable

[ATN]

Hi everybody,
I'm not sure if this topics been already discuss but what about this EFOY full cell?
For the one who don't know about them they are small unit producing electricity using methanol and air.
Lots of the 6.50MINI got them on board.
What about the CG5.80? Could this be an option?

www.my-efoy.com/en/efoy-fuell-cells/

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[Admin]

Hi...these are cool units for some applications, but not needed on a Globe 5.80 and will not be allowed as we want to create as even playing field as we can. ...windvanes are compulsory and you can only carry one non interfaced simple basic tiller pilot..and only need to charge your tracker, sat phone and VHF that is all...so your not like a 6.50 driving powerful autopilots and instruments 24hrs a day...so the $2200 euro is better put toward some good solar panels...which are compulsory. and if managed correctly totally reliable. Thnks.