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Post by Admin on May 19, 2020 23:04:54 GMT
Final offers from Interested sailmakes around the world are arriving with the hope to win an exclusive 5 year contract as sole supplier of Class Globe 5.80 sails. This oppotunity is being investigated as it may offer considerable advantages to the 5.80 class as a whole world wide. All infomation to allow a decision must be delivered in the next week. WE are allowing open comments now until 14th June from those who have bought plans and are builders. Please make a note BUILDER in your comments. Othes are also free to comment. WE would suggest you consider giving your 5.80 sail plan to your intended sailmaker to recieve an indicative quote. A final decision on this important issue will now be made end of JUNE 2020. Reminder do NOT buy any sails yet. Use of 5.80 Class sails are only requried for Official Globe 5.80 events. Any sails could be used for club racing and micro cruising.
Identical Single supplier 5.80 one design sails for every sailor means.....
1. Great sailing competition certain in the knowledge we all use identical sails.
2. The best possible High quality sails at a value for money price.
3. Leveling the playing field so money gives no advantage.
4. Saving time and effort trying to work out what sail design and materiels are best.
5. Great challenge for the skipper to get the best out of the sails, rather than the sails making the sailor.
6. Removing the cost and consideable effort to manage and measure individually each sail produced around the world to meet 5.80 class rules.
The One Design sail spec. would be set to ocean standard for a Globe 5.80 Transat. For the Mini Globe Race entrants , extra antichaffe can be added to One Design sails. Gennakers can have an optional antitwist luff for furling systems. Standard 1 reef Jib is Hanks,optional with a luff tape/foam infill UV Strip for furing. Mainsail is fully batten complete with all accesories but you buy battens locally. Includes optional stak pack/lazy jack boomcover,Trysail and racing Gennaker bag.
Initial GROUP SAVING orders will be offered for full sets only, Minimum order Main, Jib, st. jib, Gennaker 1 & 2. (orders of 10 sets at a time saving even more on price)....then after that individual orders direct to sailmaker price by the 5.80 sailor, including air courier door to door delivery to any country. Any duty and tax paid on delivery.
If a contract is issued to an exclusive sailmaker for five years, any cost increases are STICTLY limited to official inflation cost of living increase, or materiels increases, and labour cost increases ONLY. This will ensure no price gouging.
Thanks....
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Post by crewzing on May 20, 2020 3:29:02 GMT
Certainly sounds good to me, especially if they are top quality at a good price 👍
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Post by aaronnz on May 20, 2020 4:19:25 GMT
although the pros for having a sole supplier are good, does it need to be considered the fragility of global commerce. We have going through a pandemic, and it is painful to get supplies of certain things. Concentrating supply of sails to one company could be leading to a major issue in future months/years.
Will the freight costs be amitised amongst all purchasers or will it be on a basis? Dependent on where the supplier is based (multiple bases) some sailors may be better off if they were to purchase locally - including local support and warranty.
Would it be a solution to create a set of detailed class plans that suppliers/builders must follow to achieve the same goal? laying out all specs including suitable materials - even down to a panel cut cut file? that way a simple declaration from producer will 99% of the time work to maintain quality and consistency.
What about those builders that want to fully embrace the diy mentality of the class? build the boat, rigging and sails or at least side with a local sail maker to help out to do the whole package.
just food for thought - biggest issues to discuss - accessibility (now, future and through local and global events) and warranty. If a global maker like doyles or norths is interested in taking this on then it may mitigate my concerns.
cheers
Aaron
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Post by Admin on May 20, 2020 5:10:30 GMT
All good points and YES we have four GLOBAL sailmakers working on an offer...Thanks..
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Post by hargenrader35 on May 20, 2020 11:09:30 GMT
My biggest thing is my local sail loft will likely give me a
very good deal on the sail package. As I would assume other participants. With continuing support. And I would think that would be priceless. On the other hand... This is such a loaded topic.
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Post by Admin on May 20, 2020 13:26:36 GMT
Yes true...we are recommending 5.80 builders now go to their local lofts to get some prices to set some baseline....
Mini 6.50's have much larger sails but here are some current prices for their sails..
Mini 6.50 sails
Mini 6.50 Mainsail CrossCut Dacron €2,950.00
Mini 6.50 Solent Jib Vektor2™ with reef €2,350.00
Mini 6.50 Solent Jib Triradial Laminate with reef €2,150.00
Mini 6.50 Gennaker A2 Runner Triradial Nylon €2,750.00
Mini 6.50 A3/A5 Reacher Triradial Nylon €2,150.00
Mini 6.50 Code 0 Triradial Laminate €2,990.00
Mini 6.50 Code 5 Triradial Laminate €1,750.00
Mini 6.50 Storm Jib CrossCut Dacron Orange €450.00
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Post by captdan on May 20, 2020 14:26:49 GMT
Hi Don,
Builder opinion .....
I believe there is merit in the advantages you have listed for the One Design sail supplier. This would be very advantageous when it comes to the Transat or the MGR in terms of ensuring compliance and not having the organizers start measuring the sails of all competitors prior to the start. I get that.
If the cost savings of building sails in large quantities is passed on to us as Builders - that has to be the driving factor. I dont want to see the "exclusive sail provider option" be a situation that pads the pocketbooks of others, on the backs of the Builders. A large sailmaker with locations all over the world would make sense but if it is a sailmaker with only one location, then shipping sails to certain areas would likely offset the cost savings for the end user.
If the savings to end user are very minimal, then I would like to see a "cut file" provided to our local sailmakers and allow them the opportunity to work with their customer and provide ongoing support in the following years.
Sail on .....
Captdan
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Post by dixon hemphill on May 20, 2020 18:17:44 GMT
Please keep me in the loop. Dixonh999@gmail.com
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Post by renaud on May 20, 2020 19:30:21 GMT
My opinion as Builder is that we can choose any sailmaker or make our sails. strict plans of sails are needed and mesurment check by national sailing organisation will be enough to all of us have nearly same sails.
Same for the construction the boat we will nearly have same boat not strictly same as if it is one design produced by only one boat Builder.
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Post by Admin on May 20, 2020 21:09:50 GMT
Please keep me in the loop. Dixonh999@gmail.com Not sue what you want me to do...as we only have a contact list fo plan buyers/builders..  but you can always keep up with the FB page, Fan Page, here on the Forum or the web site...you can subscibe to newslettes there.. so all the best ..and thanks |
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Post by ragnar on May 20, 2020 23:53:28 GMT
Yes true...we are recommending 5.80 builders now go to their local lofts to get some prices to set some baseline.... Mini 6.50's have much larger sails but here are some current prices for their sails.. Mini 6.50 sails Mini 6.50 Mainsail CrossCut Dacron €2,950.00 Mini 6.50 Solent Jib Vektor2™ with reef €2,350.00 Mini 6.50 Solent Jib Triradial Laminate with reef €2,150.00 Mini 6.50 Gennaker A2 Runner Triradial Nylon €2,750.00 Mini 6.50 A3/A5 Reacher Triradial Nylon €2,150.00 Mini 6.50 Code 0 Triradial Laminate €2,990.00 Mini 6.50 Code 5 Triradial Laminate €1,750.00 Mini 6.50 Storm Jib CrossCut Dacron Orange €450.00 But wath is the propose of comparing the 6.50 sails price with the 5.80 one's???!!! I really don't understand...mini 6.50 is another project with another cost and another performance. I only see interest in compare the price of the future oficial saillmaker of the class globe 5.80 with my usual saillmaker |
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Post by Admin on May 21, 2020 0:54:53 GMT
This is "maybe" just of interest to sailors...and it has no relivance at all as they are twice the size ? ...but I just found it very interesting when I saw it online..so shared it The other thing to remeber we are investigating all the issues now and will make a decision yes or no end of june, based on the best interest of all stake holders...so it would be good to see what others may be getting quoted for sails if they have that..Thnx. |
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Post by ragnar on May 21, 2020 8:38:20 GMT
This is "maybe" just of interest to sailors...and it has no relivance at all as they are twice the size ? ...but I just found it very interesting when I saw it online..so shared it The other thing to remeber we are investigating all the issues now and will make a decision yes or no end of june, based on the best interest of all stake holders...so it would be good to see what others may be getting quoted for sails if they have that..Thnx. Ok 👍👍👍 |
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Post by jaysen on May 21, 2020 11:38:47 GMT
Don, Quick thought: how about a split method... If I buy from the official supplier there there is nothing other than checking the sails on board are from that supplier. If I pay for a local build, I have to pay a certification fee prior to race start (x days before checkin maybe?) to prove sails are right. Once certified by CG580 (and marked as such) then I'm good to race with those sails until I replace them. That allows the builder to make a rational decision based on use and budget.
If I can get them made to spec local for cheap it allows me to get on the water "faster". It may cost me more in the long run, but that a cash flow decision I should be allowed to make.
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Post by Admin on May 21, 2020 13:41:28 GMT
Don, Quick thought: how about a split method... If I buy from the official supplier there there is nothing other than checking the sails on board are from that supplier. If I pay for a local build, I have to pay a certification fee prior to race start (x days before checkin maybe?) to prove sails are right. Once certified by CG580 (and marked as such) then I'm good to race with those sails until I replace them. That allows the builder to make a rational decision based on use and budget. If I can get them made to spec local for cheap it allows me to get on the water "faster". It may cost me more in the long run, but that a cash flow decision I should be allowed to make. All interesting BUT..what if we find that the One supplier sail is not only cheaper than the local sail, but higher quality?? or spec? and what design sail will you use..a sail is much more than luff leach foot...they are designed with a shape and is yours right..when all sail with the same design ..it is a cool feeling.. so Yes it is all up for discussion..no decisions yet...also would you go crosscut or Tri-Radial.. ..thanks for the comments |
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