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Post by rogermann on Oct 18, 2020 17:39:10 GMT
Hello,
Currently soaking in all the information I can as the Mini Globe race 2024 is something I want to attempt,....but I hit my first stumbling block studying the forum today when I read that the plan was to get trucked across Panama which would not count as a sailing circumnavigation.
I guess it is strange that the biggest thing that I am worried about for my plans to enter a "Sail around the world" race has nothing to do with "Sailing around the world". Anyway any thoughts would be helpful. Has this been figured out yet? Will we be trucked?
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Post by wildlandjeff on Oct 18, 2020 21:38:33 GMT
Yea I thought about that to. Wouldn't it be cool to have a bunch of over grown kids strung out behind a zodiac like Yacht cub race day? There is a minimum speed and Panama is a commercial venture so I would imagine trucking is the way it will go. It would be nice to have a spread sheet of expected cost ie. country/port entry fees, trucking, moorage and maybe % increase/decrease for resupply in the pitstops and legs. As I'm more of a beer and can of peas kind of sailor as opposed to the wine and canape` type the funding for the race will be more challenging then the building.
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Post by Admin on Oct 19, 2020 13:05:08 GMT
Think of it as your very own adventure voyage around the world and you want to beat the other guy!!! and you get the picture....THAT IS IT...you can live on your boat for the entire 15 months!!! yes you can...that is why they have a galley and two bunks!...you will NOT need a support crew...you can eat and cook onboard...so get your boat organised and yes you must pay an entry fee but that is a VERY GOOD DEAL....you need to be completely independent...if you want 5 star hotels in the stopovers fine!! ..if you want friends to fly in fine!! the budget is up to you  Panama will have trucks that will have a cradle to take two 5.80's at a time...and cost very little but you will be charged for transport KEEL ON....and your back in the Pacific.. You pay no port fees but will pay normal country clearance fees.... A tip to remember...Demand for the MGR 2024 will be Strong..we will only have MAX 30 entrants....you cannot enter until you have in your possession a structural Globe 5.80 Yacht hull deck, keel, rudder etc....the first 20 entrants are first in best dressed...last 10 "may" be decided by who has the most miles in their 5.80 and have entered other Globe 5.80 events??? so good luck...love to see you in the MGR....it will be a sell out!! ...all the best... |
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Post by rogermann on Oct 19, 2020 13:14:54 GMT
WildandJeff, I was ready to start writing checks but overland will be a deal breaker for me.
But to continue the discussion... getting towed might be ok. In a group as you mentioned. Towed behind a larger personal sailboat even, after all we are not much larger than some dinghies. This may not be allowed. I do know that when you pay the canal measurer he measures total length bowsprits, dingy off the stern, etc. included.
And you are correct Minimum speed in the canal is 5 knots but the ACP has the minimum full ahead speed required in order to complete transit in standard times at 8 knots. Towing may not be possible as a group either, 4 line handlers per craft, 1 canal pilot per craft, etc..?
Panama just raised the price of the canal for less than 50' from $800 to $1600 bringing an average cost of a single boat to approx.. $2800 when all fees paid. Can not see going by road for much less but I do not know what the plan is which is why I am currently continuing the planning but asking the question.
Your spread sheet of total cost is a good idea and I am right there with you on challenges!
Roger
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Post by rogermann on Oct 19, 2020 13:19:58 GMT
Thanks Don I missed your post since we posted about the same time. I Understand and it sounds like a good plan as a way to get across if one is ok with that.
Do we have the option to go through the canal on our on and staying in the water if we can arrange to do so? I want this to count as a circumnavigation.
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Post by wildlandjeff on Oct 19, 2020 18:37:20 GMT
Transiting the Canal has always been on my bucket list but I can't see Trucking being as expensive as transit by the Canal. I think I saw somewhere that it's a 40 min bus ride from shore to shore so a trucker even with tiedown can make several trips per day. Being home based in the States any 5.80 race means shipping costs to and from. Depending how long the stay in Panama I will not miss a chance to Transit on a small boat I hear they even feed you! It would be epic even if it was only cheese and crackers.
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Post by Admin on Oct 19, 2020 21:47:13 GMT
An entrant can make their own way to the otherside...in the water if you wish...and it still counts as a circumnavigation trucking across...remember the canal is man-made and the boat and skipper travel around the world.. good luck! |
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Post by PeterM on Oct 20, 2020 9:29:29 GMT
An entrant can make their own way to the otherside...in the water if you wish...and it still counts as a circumnavigation trucking across...remember the canal is man-made and the boat and skipper travel around the world.. good luck! PLUS - geographically the Panama canal is an oddity: Circumnavigating East to West, the atlantic ocean/caribbean sea "eastern" entrance is more west than the pacific ocean "western" exit. So, one could argue, if one trucks a MGR Globe580 by land along the Panama canal, one is land-traveling eastwards (SSE) and a wee bit backwards. Maybe all MGR westward traveling is technically by sail.  |
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