martellmarine
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Post by martellmarine on Jul 8, 2020 18:09:11 GMT
I have been thinking in particular about anchor storage. What are your thoughts and how are you going to approach this for official 5.80 ocean races as well as cruising?
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Post by captdan on Jul 8, 2020 20:48:16 GMT
I have been thinking in particular about anchor storage. What are your thoughts and how are you going to approach this for official 5.80 ocean races as well as cruising? Gregory, I have been considering what I would be doing as well in terms of an anchor. I am thinking which ever style I choose it will be mounted / hanging from the bow pulpit during cruising. It would likely be stowed down below for any lake / ocean type racing. It might be located in one the cockpit lockers depending on access hatch opening size etc. Could make a nice mounting area in the locker and have a strap on it so it is secured and no shifting around. Hmmm... should think about this some more. Hopefully others will have some good ideas too. Dan www.anchoring.com/blogs/anchoring/anchor-selection-guide-how-to-choose-the-best-boat-anchor-type |
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Post by Admin on Jul 9, 2020 2:54:42 GMT
I will have two anchors on TREKKA normally  ..a PLASTIMO mooring package ecat.plastimo.com/en/#page/174-175 number 35202...8kg Brittany anchor..13mtr x 6mm chain and 20m 10mm rope....and carry a Guardian 3.8kg anchor Plastimo part 36104...I will keep all the rope chain in a soft waterproof DRYBAG..stuffed in so it is ready to run out freely and the chain end and shackle is hanging out with the light Guardian anchor attached stored ready in the forward end of the cockpit locker. The back of that bag has a clip on it to clip to the rail when about to throw the anchor over the side. Before stuffing the anchor rope in the bag, you leave the bitter end tied to the outside so you have the end before throwing anchor over. After anchoring you can repack wet rope in the Dry bag and you do not put salt in the locker...wash it/dry it out when your somewhere easy. The 8kg anchor is lashed against the main forward watertight bulkhead inside ready if needed. |
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Post by PeterM on Jul 9, 2020 10:52:55 GMT
I have been waiting for the anchor topic.
If I build a Globe580 (am at the 49/51 stage of that decision), the anchoring would need to be functional!
What is going around in my head at the moment:
- Maybe a small bow roller or an attachment bracket at the pulpit,
- Strengthening of frame E, deck and to the "keel" plus a bitter-end attachment
- Bollard above strengthened frame E, mooring cleats
- Mobile storage box (fancy milkcrate) behind bollard, lashed down and in shallow deck frame, big enough to hold lashed-down chain/rode bag and 6-10kg anchor,
- Internal storage place for Mobile anchor box, just fore of frame D1, below deck, to be secured, weight below DWL, and to be used when offshore or racing
- Mobile anchor box can also be on-standby on the cockpit sole.
- 2nd anchor, kedge, maybe Danford type, attachment spot on the transom, and store in anchor box as well.
- All anchor options/positions must be interchangeable and be operational in less than one minute!
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martellmarine
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Post by martellmarine on Jul 9, 2020 17:40:03 GMT
So I will ask the obvious question and get it out of the way, Can I build a self draining anchor locker forward of frame E ?
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martellmarine
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Post by martellmarine on Jul 9, 2020 18:21:58 GMT
For New Zealand boats looking to comply with Category 1 (Offshore) Safety regulations you are required to have 2 anchors. One anchor must have chain at least the length of the boat on deck (min) with 60m (195ft) of rope and the bitter end must be secured to the hull. A second anchor cable with 6m (min) of chain and 40m (130ft) of rope. At least one anchor must be complete with tackle and ready for use at all times.
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Post by captdan on Jul 10, 2020 3:48:39 GMT
So I will ask the obvious question and get it out of the way, Can I build a self draining anchor locker forward of frame E ? MM, I think that is a great idea ! There are 2 deck support beams that run from the stem back to Frame E, however, there is definitely a lot of room on either side of those beams .... A nice triangular shaped lid with the self draining locker ( like you said ) would be great for cruising and access needed as per the Safety Regs you detailed in the next post. Don, can this seriously be considered ? |
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Post by PeterM on Jul 10, 2020 8:43:16 GMT
For New Zealand boats looking to comply with Category 1 (Offshore) Safety regulations you are required to have 2 anchors. One anchor must have chain at least the length of the boat on deck (min) with 60m (195ft) of rope and the bitter end must be secured to the hull. A second anchor cable with 6m (min) of chain and 40m (130ft) of rope. At least one anchor must be complete with tackle and ready for use at all times. I mention the above with qualifying sailing in mind. That is quite a bit of gear to store. This requirement and quite a lot of others in YNZ CAT 1 Safety Regulations of Sailing will shape some of the CG5.80 experience and boat layout for NZ based sailors. Finding practical and logical anchor systems for both cruising and racing looks to be an interesting challenge... Similar requirements here in South Africa for Category A offshore sailing. Weight, where the weight is, and space availability made me play with the idea of a "mobile chain locker" |
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Post by Admin on Jul 10, 2020 11:06:17 GMT
So I will ask the obvious question and get it out of the way, Can I build a self draining anchor locker forward of frame E ? Well yes and NO...if you are into Mini cruising yes but if your after 5.80 Class Registration NO...we do not want to start playing around with the hull/Deck integrity, so it cannot be changed...you can fit any anchor rollers and believe me the two bow bollards on TREKKA will be strong enough to LIFT the whole boat...you can also fit a 50 x 50 deck hatch that will allow a large anchor bin to lift out?? so a few options but sadly it is not in the best interest of safety to have a bow anchor locker.....sorry...BUT I am happy you asked THNX. |
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Post by Admin on Jul 10, 2020 12:14:01 GMT
For New Zealand boats looking to comply with Category 1 (Offshore) Safety regulations you are required to have 2 anchors. One anchor must have chain at least the length of the boat on deck (min) with 60m (195ft) of rope and the bitter end must be secured to the hull. A second anchor cable with 6m (min) of chain and 40m (130ft) of rope. At least one anchor must be complete with tackle and ready for use at all times. I mention the above with qualifying sailing in mind. That is quite a bit of gear to store. This requirement and quite a lot of others in YNZ CAT 1 Safety Regulations of Sailing will shape some of the CG5.80 experience and boat layout for NZ based sailors. Finding practical and logical anchor systems for both cruising and racing looks to be an interesting challenge... I was first involved with the Kiwi reg. for International Exit travel when they were first announced a long time ago as I had a few friends doing adventures is strange boats ..LOL...so you will find that there are exemptions offered by the inspectors on specific occasions when you can show something just as effective, or even more effective which makes complying with the standard Cat 1 rule unnecessary or inappropriate.. And there are plenty of precedents. Like a 5.8mtr boat would not be forced to fit a toilet, required under Cat1, when you show that you can use a bucket. I would suggest also an AXE is not needed to escape a little boat and the 60mtr and 40mtr of rope could be argued as right for a 50ft yacht, but not practical for a 5.8 mtr yacht and the anchor size scale will also refer to a rope dia. which should be tiny and sometimes a recommended length....having said all that on TREKKA I am carrying a 60mtr heavy weather towing warp ...and I would have plenty to make up the other 40M so not such a problem.. . Also things like a sink, and HF ssb radio on the 5.80 yacht can be argued as NOT necessary, if your carrying sat phone and sat texting unit...but I am not a Kiwi..hahaha OPPS all fun to look forward too ...good luck.. |
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martellmarine
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Post by martellmarine on Jul 10, 2020 20:18:32 GMT
So I will ask the obvious question and get it out of the way, Can I build a self draining anchor locker forward of frame E ? Well yes and NO...if you are into Mini cruising yes but if your after 5.80 Class Registration NO...we do not want to start playing around with the hull/Deck integrity, so it cannot be changed...you can fit any anchor rollers and believe me the two bow bollards on TREKKA will be strong enough to LIFT the whole boat...you can also fit a 50 x 50 deck hatch that will allow a large anchor bin to lift out?? so a few options but sadly it is not in the best interest of safety to have a bow anchor locker.....sorry...BUT I am happy you asked THNX. Thanks for this. |
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..a PLASTIMO mooring package 