How much $$$$ to Build a slick Globe 5.80

[Admin]

This is the impossible question BUT you can answer it yourself...the accuracy depends on how long you spend working it out..the more detail, the more checking unit costs, the more accuate...it is that simple. Heres is how...

First the BIG variable is who much are you going to do yourself??, and how much your going to pay the guy doing the rest?? AND what country you live in! Labour rates and cost of raw materiels and hardware vary greatly in each country and only you can decide if you want to buy a sail away boat turnkey, or maybe pay someone to build the hull and deck, then you fit out and oganise your own rig , or if you buy a 5.80 Kit and start building? or go back to the begining? go buy some marine plywood and start from absolute scratch. Not hard to imagine the variables hey!!.

First stage is to write a simple ( or detailed?) list of all the stages of building and then the materiels you need for each. It is a little boat so you do not need much. Then go around and start looking at pricing each bundle of stuff fom online supplies o go to their shop. If you do not want a trailer, build a yard Frame that fits on a car trailer and hire one? Remember everything you do NOT do yourself, adds to the budget. There are things you MUST have and there are things you would LIKE to have. You can decide. To daysail around the bay, you only need two sails and basic anchor gear/safety gear and not even any electricle system, just take an emegency torch! To race in the Globe 5.80 Transat you need the works, so again budgets vary.

I just spent 15 minutes doing a simple healthy budget, for a basic sailaway Globe 5.80 to Micro cruise weekends away around Adeliade in South Australia and doing all the building myself( except for some small keel, SS rails and mast welding fabication) and I recon I could do the lot for at least 10% less if I tried? These prices are in Austalian $$$..... Plywood $3300, Frame and misc timber $1000, Epoxy and glass $2000,Scews, glues, sealer, building supplies and consumables $900, Keel materiels $1000, ALL Paints $950, Chainplates Gudgeons and pintles? $1000, Windows $450, Basic Electicle system $1000 ,Deck hatches and vents $1000, Galley gear $400, Manual and elect.bilge pumps and plumbing $900, Furnishings 2 x single and one double $800, Mast Boom and standing Rigging $1800, Deck gear, rails and hand holds $750, Compass and basic safety gear $1000, mainsail and jib $2000.

Total happy days sensible budget that could be done for even less is AU$20,250...or Euro$12,000 or US$13,000 ... and if you're short, buy 2nd hand sails instead..I sailed my 50ft BOC Challenge yacht 25,000 miles with a delivery main, genoa and staysail that cost me total AU$450 back in 1990!.. Most will pobably spend more money as they will be proud of their 5.80 and want to finsih quicker and fit all the exta things they LIKE!...Looking at these numbers I can see where I could pobably squeeze the budget lower, but that is not the point...so good luck and keep the deam alive..!! My Trekka will probably cost me Double or tripple this amount, as I am too busy to build and will Race the Globe 5.80 Transat...would you like to join me !! 

I will be interested to see 5.80 builders come up and comment with their own budgets here?? but boats being what they are, full of passion, love and romance..if you want it, you just do it and work the money out later.  ...Thanks....Don

[pete]

Budget-wise I'm thinking of not compormising on parts that cannot be changed later, but in order to get the boat in the water and getting some use out of it as soon as the hull is completed, i was thinking of trying to figure out purchasing second hand stuff that is 'reversible' if it doesn't work out and i have to buy new later on.
After trawling some classified ads sites and ebay etc, i reckon there might be milage in buying a total beater of a daysailer/small yacht from a boatyard auction or classified section - you know the type, abandoned by their owners in lieu of yard/storage fees that never got paid, green and covered in seagull crap. After stripping the boat of its useful bits that are reusable - possibly mast + sail slides, boom (if sections are suitable obvs), some blocks might be reusable, any anchors/ chain section of rode etc, furling gear, mooring cleats, some deck gear, pushpit/pulpits if modifiable (if not to class spec, then weighing them in for scrap along with the keel), outboard motor brackets + outboard etc... then scrapping what is left.
I have literally no idea if this would make sense financially, will depend entirely on the amount of reusable stuff left on the boat - but interested to know of anyone who has experience of doing something like this and how hard it is to get rid of the last un sellable bits - i.e. paying for scrapping the hull itself etc.

[Picle Rick]

As a sailmaker I really hope that the sails for these boat's don't become "one design".
$2000 for a main and jib is very cheap and corners would have been cut to make them at this price (I worked out my mainsail price at $1750 plus tax as a base line using a half decent dacron and no frills finishing)
The material cost for the mainsail and jib alone is around $1000 not including battens.
As a cost comparison a sabre mainsail (12ft plywood home built single handed dinghy) is around the $1000 mark and it doesn't have reefing points, and a Finn mainsail is over $2000+ tax.
a laser sail is a great example of this. If a sailmaker delivered a sail which has so many creases across it you would not accept it, but in a one design situation you pay a premium for them!
There will be a lot of other small differences with the masts being homebuilt as well with people choosing different reefing systems and than needing there sails changed to suit as an example. which are all costs in addition and will drive the price up.
The same can happen with jibs and genoas with corner finishing.
I do believe the best option will be for people to be able to use their local sailmaker to build the sails that they need. You'll always be able to get cheap options to get you on the water or for short passages and cruising, but it would be a big ask for a $1200 mainsail to sail around the world.
Having worked for a large sailmaker who does offshore manufacturing warranty work and small changes are not as easy as people might think.
There are a few other options when it comes to keeping a lid on costs.
You can have an approved list of fabrics which the sails can be made out of. This keeps those more exotic and expensive option from being used. any sailmaker can apply to the class to have a fabric approved but it's up to the association to decide if it's worth it.
Having a good set of class rules as well with minimum and maximum number of panels and other build standards are another way to keep a bit of control over what gets produced.
Also when you have your skin in the games as a local sailmaker you want your product to do well!
There is always someone who will do it cheaper but that's not what everyone wants.

I really love this concept of a "cheap" homebuilt offshore capable boat with decent races, I really want it to succeed and I hope an open mind is kept in this regard.

Sorry for the bit of a rant but I really do think it would be the wrong option for a "budget" class.

[Admin]

Hey thanks Picle ..not a rant at all..we like to get opinions and I agree with a lot of what you say....with the $2000 budget above, it was for Micro cruising in the first instance and then with sails it was working with basics and Maybe??? a good main with a simple small cheap headsail maybe $200??? as there are hundreds available 2nd hand CHEAP! ..but yes the mainsail is not so easy for a good one 2nd hand..but still possible..the issue of sails an exclusive supplier is taking shape and the fist review and sumarry of proposals will be done by end next week....so lets see how it looks then but yes retail price on a good quality racing main is looking like around US$1700...so we start from there....Quality is first on the list for the 5.80 project and then Value for money etc etc ...thanks for your opinions..we take it all in for sure

[Admin]

Here is the English translation of Yaplukafer's message...but do not despair great list!! BUT this is way over price for the bits for three reasons ...first you see I cautions builders on the website about the Plastimo list!! you will not need 750mtrs of ropes probably own your own sea boots, gloves and wet weather gear and do not need 6 packets of fluro dye and or two heliographs. .. this is just a shopping list to chose from ( and more than you need) and NO ONE would ever buy it all, as there are decisions to be make from personal choice on what you want...there are options on that list-in other words there is too much equipment in the list. You need to decide what parts from the list you will chose Some will want Rope clutches, some will use just cam-cleats instead...others on a budget will just use a plastic cleat...the budgets vary by builder..you can sail the 5.80 without winches if you want? some will make wooden hand rails, some will buy them...then even chandlers discount off retail! So even buying at a shop you will NOT pay theses prices, so you are not likely to pay full price and yes we will have a 5.80 Plastimo Builders Pack that will be finished and offered once TREKKA is finished in a month or so and remember TREKKA is built from PLANS not a kit.. Also you can chose any equipment you want and there are many deals to be made. If you make your own mast it cost very little, but takes time and your electrical can be super simple, a few switches on plywood if you like, or buy a finished switchboard the choice is yours. You can make your own windvane for the cost of simple materials, Build your own keel is cheaper than buying one and the sails will be announced in a couple weeks and yes they are world Class Racing Sails as we want to protect everyone's investment in their Globe 5.80 and the price for the quality and back up I know is very good If you are planning to sail around the bay you will not need to get too complicated and buying choices are based on keeping it simple, but if your planning to sail around the world you will need to have all the required race gear. Spare halyards and all the sails. To get 5.80 Class Certification it will be for the build of the structure, the basic boat, as we know that many will just do Club Racing, so you will not need all the safety gear etc. but that will be required for Ocean events. So we have been saying if you want to build a Globe 5.80 to get sailing with basic gear it will be about Euro $20,000 and if your off around the world you will need about $30-$35,000 and then will you build or buy your trailer...etc...there are may choices and decisions to make and that is part of the fun and budgets will vary, but soon you will have many real world examples from the builders themselves so good luck If your worred, wait till we get TREKKA launched and shortly after we will give a definitive list of what we used and she will have the works!!! and if it is all too difficult you can consider a SETKA A ....but as with every project...break it down into little bits and if you have the dream ...keep it alive and get started.

On sponsorship..life costs money...and some can do things that others cannot, or have to work longer to achieve their dreams but one thing is for certain....and it is not sponsorship. Sponsors need to trust you and you need to earn that respect and it is not the Event that guarantees sponsors...it is You and your story and what YOU have to offer. It is the most common mistake for sailors to think that by just entering an Event or big spectacular, they will get a sponsor. The Globe 5.80 events will be great fun...but will not in themselves give you a sponsor...You have to sell that idea and activity you're doing and the days of being given money for you to have fun and complete your dream are finished you will only get a sponsor when they see your actually going , with commitment and passion..then they will JOIN you. YOU have to make it happen, no one else can do that for you, so good luck..Be creative , think smart, get a strong social media following and then local media...DO NOT DO A CROWD FUNDING- they NEVER work and are embarrassing...UNLESS you already have a strong group of followers, who are really into what your doing, the passion you have, and who YOU are,,,then they can be VERY SUCCESSFUL..but be careful,.We will be making various announcements about the Globe 5.80 Events in the months ahead. Hope to see you there.

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Hello... I am planning to embark on this great adventure, so I started to know how much this challenge was going to cost me ...
you will find attached a summary file in excel format of the list which is on the site.
this is a first approach because the list can change slightly and why not, .. a discount made by the Sponsor Plastimo who will be getting a good publicity with this race. WE now say you can build your Globe 5.80 doing all the work yourself for about

EXCEL FORMAT FOR CLASSGLOBE PC 5.80 PRICE MATERIAL EXCEL.xlsx (51.44 KB)


Bjr here is the list of the material and the prices of the Plastimo catalog with the references and the links for each article towards the catalog ... (3 working days) see the detail in the file above

I arrive with surprise at the following result

SECURITY 3054 EUROS
PERSONAL EQUIPMENT 1476
EQUIPMENT BRIDGE 3727
HARDWARE 9339
NAVIGATION 1562
ELECTRICITY 4480
PLUMBING 731
MAINTENANCE 356
TOTAL 24 728 EUROS see details in attached files


To this must be added the kit, the mast, the boom, the guying, the sails, the transport of the container, the costs of departure forwarders, the costs of arrival forwarders, navigation insurance, site costs, costs of workers, customs fees, and I certainly forget

I have not yet quantified all this but I think the total will be close to 40,000 euros or even more .. depending on where you are ...? you can reach me by the pseudo yaplukafer forum or by mail [e-mail] or by watsapp [phone] René LUCAS Majunga MADAGASCAR. (the poorest country in the world) where I have a large shipyard with many very good skilled workers, we are finishing the construction of a 14m tiki wharram catamaran.
the cost of labor here is low 4 euros per day from 8 am per worker ... it's a little more than the minimum wage here. From the kit we can build several boats here strictly to the standards with a beautiful finish. So see you soon
René LUCAS


It's expensive very expensive ... but the boat is not built for a single race, with a program of 5 races, it comes to 8000 euros per race, which seen thus ... is affordable ... the solution is to find sponsors. This race is prestigious. It would be good for the organizer to offer a press book with the number of TV hours planned, with the broadcasting channels, the number of press articles planned with the name of the media, the presentation of the race, the number of registered, the number of countries represented etc etc, in short a real solid press book to help us find funding.

[Daniel Mahon]

Interested to see any other cost estimates builders have come up with for a competitive MGR spec build. My estimate so far for a kit build with labor rated at $0 is just shy of US$60,000. Yet to define campaign costs for the MGR itself, as there are too many details not yet known (e.g. berthing costs between legs), my WAG estimate right now is $30,000. So it's looking close to my initial guess of $100,000 to get to the finish line of the MGR.
Of course, as Don will say, there are a lot of places in this estimate to trade money for time (e.g. don't get a CNC kit), or money for competitiveness (e.g. no headsail furlers). But this estimate is to get home-built efficiently (i.e. let machines do the work when possible) and race competitively (top-end racing spec within class rules).
Looking forward to any other estimates people have...

[Admin]

Hi Daniel...The cost will be less than a good car but even then we all have a different definition of a good car ...so you can see every country costs are different, and every sailors efforts will effect the final cost. A sailor with money will spend much more than a sailor without...but both can do the MGR if they must and that is the key. With four years of Planning, Preparation and $0 , a passionate sailor will be on the start line with a huge smile. For the Race itself..there will be No mooring costs, all is provided...only your food and living you pay, but you live on your boat all the way...or you stay in a $$$$hotel..your choice. If you do not go your rent in a city will cost more ....Soon when Trekka II has been sailing for awhile I will make a long list of all things...which anyone can do now and make their own if they want?..it is easy...but I will only put $$ on a few compulsory things, as each person can surely discover their own cheapest way to everything. The biggest challenge and adventure often is just getting to the start..and sailing around the world is NOT about 15months or 28,000 miles, it is simply sailing Monday, then Tuesday, Wednesday, one day at a time...just like following a dream to build a boat or face any challenge...don't be worried about the big picture, just decide if you want to make it happen, then break it down into small parts and it will happen Some could spend US$100,000 but I sure as eggs would not and most will spend only a small part of that Hope to see you there ...life itself is expensive but experiences are priceless.. all the best and good luck.. and US$60,000 is absolutely heaps to build and do the MGR, so you need to save US$15,000 a year and you will find supporters if your going Don

[Daniel M.]

Don, I knew I could rely on you for encouraging words! My cost estimate is not meant to be off-putting: as I didn't say in as many words, my estimate is for someone with more money than time, kitting out to about the most expensive spec for the MGR. I'm sure you could cut that cost in half if you tried.
I absolutely agree: life costs money, and my campaign cost guess includes a bit of shipping around the world, for at least 1 warm up event, etc. Again, could certainly do it for less.
Nobody should let lack of money get in the way of a good adventure! This adventure seems do-able for almost anyone who is dedicated enough.

[jaysen]

Daniel, my numbers match yours for outfitting IN THE US with "top quality components". The budgets in the US need to be evaluated against the Euro numbers provided on the website to see that they are in line with the budgets suggetsed (inflated for CNC, purchase of new, premium hardware). So yes, you are looking at 100K to get to the MGR on paper. To Don's repsonse, I'm hoping to have a race compliant boat on the water for under $30K including safety hardware (half the price).

Don, are you including international insurance requirements need? My current research is suggesting that will be a very large expense in the US.

[Admin]

Aug 27, 2020 13:02:20 GMT jaysen said:

Daniel, my numbers match yours for outfitting IN THE US with "top quality components". The budgets in the US need to be evaluated against the Euro numbers provided on the website to see that they are in line with the budgets suggetsed (inflated for CNC, purchase of new, premium hardware). So yes, you are looking at 100K to get to the MGR on paper. To Don's repsonse, I'm hoping to have a race compliant boat on the water for under $30K including safety hardware (half the price).

Don, are you including international insurance requirements need? My current research is suggesting that will be a very large expense in the US.

Hi...Wow...I could not spend US$100,000 to build & prep a boat for the MGR..that is crazy for me?? ....and impossible surely?? and IF I was doing the MGR I would only have Liability insurance...not comprehensive and that is insignificant. And the US $60,000 to build and prep a 5.80 for the MGR and then do it is ample budget ( but I am too busy for now to calculate that but will soon ), but for now it is a good filter as those who want to do the MGR will get there ..regardless of cost and remembering that those who have the money could spend $100,000 but those who do not ...will not, and still get there...that is the nature of life... ...we have guys doing the Golden Globe for less than that...but others are spending four times that amount... so yes I can see quite a few builders like yourself building and equipping their boats for US$30,000 and it will be a bucket load of fun ...so will look forward to seeing you on the water....all the best...Don

[jaysen]

Don, that $us100k was the entire cost to build and get the MGR. CNC, paid build (all the way to hull painted, all stainless parts from big (not cost effective) shops, etc), all electronics for safe-local sailing (would need removed for MGR), various extra safety, liability insurance + environmental riders, 3yr marina space (yard), estimation for provisions for 18mo. The majority of the "boat cost" is actually in the electronics, safety and metal work. By sticking to self build, only meeting MGR rules and being a smart shopper I expect to reduce that from $60 -> $30. The marina need was based on me not having build/storage in current living situation, and that drives the insurance demand. for 4yr that was almost $25k alone. Now that we are relocating that costs drops quite a bit to just insurance with lighter environmental riders.

So... to build a 580 on a budget that is MGR compliant I believe $30k is just about right. But the builder takes on a lot of responsibility to find deals and do nearly all of the build (less keel welding) themselves.

That said, I'm struggling to find shops that will build the railings affordably. I may have to adjust the price up a bit.

Before anyone mentions it... I have not officially started my build (thank you covid driving economic impact), but I am trying to get all my suppliers lined up. There is a LOT of work a builder can do before they start to actually assemble the hull

[kozman]

I’m seeing prices on mgr and 5.80. Am I off in thinking 18k US for kit build trans pac globe 5.80?

[captdan]

Aug 28, 2020 14:10:30 GMT jaysen said:

That said, I'm struggling to find shops that will build the railings affordably. I may have to adjust the price up a bit.

Before anyone mentions it... I have not officially started my build (thank you covid driving economic impact), but I am trying to get all my suppliers lined up. There is a LOT of work a builder can do before they start to actually assemble the hull

Hi Jaysen,
I haven't went out for pricing yet but I was wondering if you could share your prices that you received on the railings etc ( stainless steel bits )

Thanks,
Captdan

[Daniel M]

Sept 1, 2020 5:54:55 GMT kozman said:

I’m seeing prices on mgr and 5.80. Am I off in thinking 18k US for kit build trans pac globe 5.80?

Even Don is estimating 30-35k Euro for ocean racing ready, which is US$35-42k. Very low compared to my numbers, but possible if you keep it bare bones and least-cost options and build everything yourself.
US$18k won't get you much past a glassed hull and decks, spars and sails if you are building from a kit (~$9k delivered in US). Maybe you have another complete ocean-racing mini to strip for fittings and equipment?.

[Admin]

Sept 1, 2020 5:54:55 GMT kozman said:

I’m seeing prices on mgr and 5.80. Am I off in thinking 18k US for kit build trans pac globe 5.80?

HI....I think you will spend a little more than that for a race prepared 5.80....if you do all the work yourself from plans including build your own mast, rails, keel and make own rigging, really hunt bargains and negotiate hard for equipment and materiel and go with absolute minimum equipment to the rule on everything....which can be a good thing for racing as you will be a light boat....not including a trailer and you can build that or buy a used one? (then you need all the safety gear?? after that etc)....but for the boat I would think you will go US$24-28,000 as an absolute minimum....But even I am guessing a bit...BUT..once we get Trekka II sailing and I have more time .....I will be developing all the information for an accurate minimum list....anyone can do that now with a set of 5.80 plans, but even then each country will be different prices ...so good luck.....