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Post by latestarter on Jul 11, 2022 2:41:20 GMT
Hi folks
1. Will be pulling the trigger soon, but need to work out if the garage is enough, or whether or not I need to rent a workshop. Couldn't find anything on the forum, FB or internet other than making some assumptions based on LOA and beam.
2. I'm landlocked, and sail a pram with furling main in light airs on the local lake. I have an RYA Day Skipper cert, but get offshore very infrequently. Is the 5.80 suitable for me to build coastal and offshore experience on, or is it going to be too much boat for me?
TIA
Fair weather and following seas,
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Post by brucel on Jul 16, 2022 13:30:22 GMT
Have a look at 57 Jim’s early Tick-tock videos. You can see in his blog how close the walls are, he did it and then sailed across the Atlantic, in theory you can to.
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Post by timeandtide on Jul 19, 2022 5:10:05 GMT
I have read that at least 2 ft is best on all sides. That would be a space of about 12ft x 24ft but as Bruce mentioned it’s been done with less. As for logging miles I hope she’s a good boat for it because I have plans to sail her extensively (think Seattle to Hawaii and back) to qualify for the MGR.
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Post by hull113 on Jul 20, 2022 20:12:43 GMT
Never too much boat. No such thing...
I would suggest build as fast as possible, while getting sailing and offshore as much as practicable while you're building. Go sailing with friends, crew on deliveries.. Go in the ocean or at least open water. Honestly, I don't think you can get enough experience on a lake (maybe even a big bay) to go offshore safely.
If you build AND THEN try to get enough experience to go offshore in your new boat, you don't have enough time before MGR.
Just my opinion. I'm probably wrong.
Jack, Hull 113
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Gary.S
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Post by Gary.S on Jul 28, 2022 17:07:59 GMT
I have read that at least 2 ft is best on all sides. That would be a space of about 12ft x 24ft but as Bruce mentioned it’s been done with less. As for logging miles I hope she’s a good boat for it because I have plans to sail her extensively (think Seattle to Hawaii and back) to qualify for the MGR. Hi timendtide, I am just curious in regards to you planned trip from Seattle to Hawaii & return as a qualifier for the MGR. I was under the impression that a Trans Atlantic was to be the qualifier. Am I wrong in thinking that? Don , would you be a able to clarify that please ? Thanks Gary.S Boat # 111 |
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Post by timeandtide on Jul 28, 2022 20:13:51 GMT
Hi Gary, you are correct, the official qualifier for the MGR is doing the Transat. My trip is more in the interest of logging the requisite total sea miles under sail. I have plenty of offshore experience on a 42ft fishing boat, anywhere from 40 to 400 nm off of Hawaii, but haven’t done much ocean sailing. My ambitious plan is to sail to Hawaii and back next summer, then truck the boat on a trailer to my in-laws place in North Carolina in march of 2024 and then, in April or May, sail for Bermuda then across to the Azores and eventually to Portugal to be in place for the Transat qualifier for the MGR in fall of 2024.
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Post by Gary.S on Jul 28, 2022 20:29:07 GMT
Hi Gary, you are correct, the official qualifier for the MGR is doing the Transat. My trip is more in the interest of logging the requisite total sea miles under sail. I have plenty of offshore experience on a 42ft fishing boat, anywhere from 40 to 400 nm off of Hawaii, but haven’t done much ocean sailing. My ambitious plan is to sail to Hawaii and back next summer, then truck the boat on a trailer to my in-laws place in North Carolina in march of 2024 and then, in April or May, sail for Bermuda then across to the Azores and eventually to Portugal to be in place for the Transat qualifier for the MGR in fall of 2024. Hi again..  That's awesome & a lot of sailing to do between now & then. I just wanted to make sure i was thinking correctly. I have another idea for mid 2024 and will discuss it later when i get a bit more information. By the way ....may i ask your name ? Best wishes on your upcoming adventures .. I have been off the radar lately due to work commitments & I'm away from home at the moment as well. Back home in a week of so so really want to get my build moving. Time just goes by so quickly. You turn around & haven't done anything for months it seems. Best wishes Gary.S |
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Post by timeandtide on Jul 29, 2022 0:51:04 GMT
Hey Gary, my name is Josh Kali hull #157. It is a lot of miles to accumulate but I have organized my life in a way that I live in my van and my only obligations are to go to work, build my little boat, and go sailing. I am 100% committed to achieving my goal.
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Post by timeandtide on Jul 29, 2022 0:54:10 GMT
And good luck to you as well! I am super excited to hear about any and all mini 5.80 adventures! Fair winds!
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Post by Daniel on Aug 31, 2022 17:10:38 GMT
MGR qualification is 3000 ocean miles with "a further" approved 750 mile solo in the entered CG580.
So, assuming that the "further" means that the 750 is in addition to the 3000, and cannot be combined, then a total of 3750 ocean miles is required before the start of MGR.
If a round trip voyage from Seattle to Hawaii in a 5.80 is in accordance with the required conditions for the 750 miles solo, then that voyage (well over 2000nm each way) would fulfill all the sailing experience requirements for the MGR.
Nowhere is a specific voyage or race listed as a MGR qualification.
Pre-Notice of Race dated August 2021:
4.5 Qualification to place an entry.
Must be building a Globe 5.80 and have logged at least 2000 miles Ocean sailing
BEFORE applying for an Invitation to Enter MGR. If applying to enter after October
1st 2023 you must have the Globe 5.80 sailing, or be sailing no later than May 1st
2024 if applying before October 31st, or be removed to a waitlist if another waitlist
entrant is already sailing to take your place.
4.5.1 Pre-registration package
Each skipper must provide in his/her Pre-registration package, documentary proof
of at least 3000 nautical miles prior ocean sailing experience, detailing the voyages
undertaken, vessels sailed, crew positions held, routes sailed, and average weather
encountered. This log of experience must be signed as true and correct by a sailing
official from a recognized sailing authority, a recognized yacht club or at least one
other person not related by birth to the entrant. Contact details of the signees must
be supplied in the registration pack.
4.5.2 A further 750 solo non-stop ocean miles
A further MGR “Approved sailing plan” 750 solo non-stop ocean miles, in the
entered Globe 5.80 yacht with an operational Satellite tracking device, using wind
vane only (No electric autopilots) with navigation logs under sextant only to be
provided to MGR Organisers, must be completed by 1
st SEPT 2024. All other nav.
Aids including GPS and full AIS etc may be used during this voyage.
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Post by Daniel on Aug 31, 2022 17:14:53 GMT
OP didn't mention MGR at all. I would say best boat to get ocean experience is any seaworthy boat you can get on. CG580 is demonstrably seaworthy... see the recent Transat. But i would also suggest crewing with an experienced offshore skipper as a way to learn quickly and safely.
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Post by Daniel on Aug 31, 2022 17:17:48 GMT
And as far as the "too much boat" question.... I think you'll have a hard time find less of an offshore sailing boat |
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Post by timeandtide on Sept 4, 2022 14:58:19 GMT
Yeah I kind of hijacked the OP, sorry about that!
Please correct me if I am wrong but I thought I saw in the most recent update that the start and finish of the MGR had been moved to Antigua as it will be an easier return to the Caribbean from St Helena than north to Portugal. I also believe that it was said that a skipper could then start the MGR from Antigua *if* they had already completed a Transat (Portugal to Canaries to Carribean).
Although now with some searching I cannot find where I saw that so maybe it was just my imagination?
Cheers! Hull #157 ‘Casero’
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Post by Daniel on Sept 6, 2022 20:39:57 GMT
I'm not entered in 2024, so if there are updates going out to entrants, i haven't seen those. But it seems surprising to me that the course would change much from the Pre-Notice of Race which has been out for a year. It seems like moving the Start/Finish out of Europe would be a major move, and have some big downsides for Media coverage. You probably weren't just imagining it though! must have heard it somewhere?
I suppose the Notice of Race coming out will resolve any questions like this. it was expected "The MGR Notice of Race will be issued JUNE 1st 2022". But maybe now the GGR has set off, Don will get a chance to come back to this.
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Post by brucel on Sept 6, 2022 23:54:16 GMT
Quote from builders update 15 march 2022. “2024 MGR has some major changes ahead. WE have been struggling with timelines for the circumnavigation relative to weather windows etc for the last leg. WE arrive in Cape Town late 2025. The final leg back to Portugal is fine until you cross the equator. Then you have 2500 miles of windward work that is not much fun, all the way back to Portugal. The first leg of the MGR adventure will still start in Portugal as a Qualifier for the MGR and a Globe 5.80 Transat that MGR entrants MUST do. Then the MGR will officially start from ANTIGUA!!!.
The rest of the course remains the same. You can see if you understand the Atlantic weather, it will mean that once you depart Cape Town and head north into the Atlantic, you will keep heading NW and reach across the trades to finish in Antigua. This is a fast ride indeed. This also means that if you decide to enter the 2023 Globe 5.80 Transat you have qualified for the MGR! You can
leave your 5.80 in Antigua, or cruise the Caribbean for a few months??? and come back to join the MGR in early 2025. We will have a suggested timeline for the MGR voyage and all the NOR amendments available by the end of April. There has never been a suggestion of a two-handed class in the MGR and we do not plan that either.”
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